ainulindale or valaquenta or quenta silmarillion or akallabêth
two lamps or two trees or sun and moon
valinor or middle-earth
elves or men or dwarves
sindar or teleri or noldor or vanyar
fëanor or fingolfin or finarfin
gondolin or doriath or nargothrond
haladin or bëorians or hadorians
orcs or balrogs or dragons
thuringwethil or melian or sauron
andreth/aegnor or beren/lúthien or tuor/idril
túrin or niënor or beleg or finduilas
lúthien or dior or elwing
maedhros or fingon or finrod felagund
Ughghguhguhg about the Messiah and Machiavel trope though, I just really really love it. I’ve been thinking about the dynamic between Feanor and Fingolfin in that context since forever and once I found that it has a name dang, suddenly I got excited again. Because I really want a working relationship between those two, even though it’s probably only possible if Finwe not dead, because I think it’s Finwe’s death that makes Fingolfin turned against Feanor. If Finwe still alive (and abdicate), I think he’ll actually honour the “thou shalt lead and I will follow” promise.
BUT OH WELL. IF somehow they could work together, with Feanor as the Messiah and Fingolfin as the Machiavel who would enforce the idea. They would still fight and disagree a lot but they would be such a formidable allies aaaaahhhhh my dream scenario. I just love ~working relationship~ ☆*:.｡. o(≧▽≦)o .｡.:*☆
thestockhouse said: Hi! Can you explain to me the king and lionheart trope and how it relates to the machiavel/messiah trope? Thank you!
ahh okay this is a tricky one, because king/lionheart is not my trope in the sense that while I love it, it’s not my thing, ya know?
messiah/machiavel on the other hand is so entirely my thing, tbh it probably shouldn’t even be considered in the same category as a trope? it’s more of a personal term/tag i made up with the inimicable mal (who gave me lots of clever + witty + horribly mean advice for this answer). but i shall endeavour to explain what i - personally - mean by messiah+machiavel and how/when it intersects with king+lionheart.
SO it can definitely be a subset of king/lionheart with a particular twist of context. you see for me, messiah/machiavel is always in a political context of some kind. it’s about that separation of skillsets in the political context: the charismatic shining-bright leader of people, and the vicious (often-but-not-necessarily-violent) cunning enforcer.
so to my understanding (which could be wrong!), king/lionheart has a couple of few components:
- a) that status difference, where one of them really is a king, or of some other status defined by outside forces, and
- b) a consuming, fiercely loyal mutual love that is
- c) informed by their status difference so you end up having one being a swordarm/right hand type (lionheart) to the king, but behind the scenes that imbalance is kind of subverted/overcome by the love and respect they have for each other?
messiah + machiavel is something that can overlap with king/lionheart - where that emotional core of the dynamic exists - but not necessarily. it’s more about the political context + skillsets involved; leadership (messiah) + enforcement (machiavel).
One thing that I constantly struggle with in regards to Anairë is the fact that she stayed behind and let her family leave. I cannot wrap my mind around the idea of staying for friendship alone but allowing her family to leave or go where she cannot protect them or aid them.
Hope you don’t mind me chiming in! This is mostly my headcanon with only little canon basis, so take it with a grain of salt I guess :p
I tend to headcanon Anairë coming from a really religious family, seeing how her name translated into “the holiest”. So I often draw the parallel with Nerdanel’s family who already warned by Aulë to not participated in rebellion. Maybe whichever Vala that their family loyal to also warned them about the rebellion and terrible doom? I also tend to see the kinslaying as the thing that “seal the deal”, as if confirming the warning given to them.
The second reason is because the quote in which her Ñoldor heritage been emphasised in comparison to Teleri.
I headcanon Anairë to live with her diplomat family for a long time among the Teleri and grow to really love them. She might be a Ñoldo but the Teleri are like her own kin as well, and tend to see her siding with the Teleri and Eärwen in this matter. She loves her family but there will be a point where she can’t support their action anymore.